Hi Daniel,
I need to make a point here. A "Celestial" spirit is a resident of the eternal Kingdom of Gd where they no longer have minds but use their soul alone. We do talk of the soul growing a mind, but its not the logic based thing we all know here. Its a device to synchronise with God. As such they only know truth, or don't know. They cannot be wrong. However as you pointed out the human medium can trash that reception, and it has happened in our messages a few times. I think mostly it gets corrected, even if it takes another medium many years later to do that. Not much has had to be corrected, I have to stress. Sonwe have 110 years of unchanging teachings.
Now how do you know a spirit is a Celestial?
Well you can easily test them, because they know the way to the Kingdom, and others do not. So how do you know that the "jesus" that Sister Beghe gets is Jesus? You don't unless he actually teaches Divine Love in the same manner (or very similar) that we have had, and also explicitly teaches that we must pray for God's Love to be capable of entering the Kingdom. If her jesus does not teach that, you can be sure it's not the real deal. Or - and this does happen - that medium blocks the reception of that Truth, as happened with Rev George Vale Owen, who was only partly open to advanced Truth, simply because he was an ordained minister in a church that did not know the truth.
But I am so certain about reincarnation that I absolutely use it as a flag. But just for the record, have you actually understood COMPLETELY this message from Jesus because he explains why it is not physically possible?
Revelation 20: Reincarnation is an oriental doctrine
(This message is referred to as Revelation 28 on page 75 in New Testament Revelations of Jesus of Nazareth)
March 10th, 1955.
Received by Dr Samuels.
Washington D.C.
I am here, Jesus.
I am here again to write you about a subject that has created interest among you, the Doctor and others, and that is the article on reincarnation. In the Padgett messages, various communications dealt with the falsity and absurdity of this Oriental doctrine, which holds that the human soul can reincarnate from one fleshly body to others in succession over periods of time and that as a result the soul has an opportunity to lessen its desire to sin and thus finally achieve purification while in the flesh.
If you will examine the question a little more closely, you will see the impossibility of the soul in the spirit world to be reincarnated in the flesh for the reason that the soul, for this supposed phenomenon, would have to shed the spirit body in order to enter into a mortal body, since the soul is incased in a spirit body which is physical in nature but not of a gross material of what mortals call the material world, and that spirit body, which is the envelope and protector of the soul, is that which gives the soul its individuality as a conscious entity and remains with the soul so long as the soul lives. In the spirit world no spirit body has ever been deprived of its soul, and no spirit body thus hypothetically divested of its soul has ever died or been disintegrated, or has disappeared from its habitat, except as it advances from one sphere to another while making progress either to the sixth sphere or spiritual paradise or to the Celestial Heavens and Immortality.
As far as is known today by us in the spirit world, the spirit, that is to say, the soul and its spirit body, may live for all Eternity, if God so requires it, even if it does not possess the consciousness of immortality through possession of Divine Love, and it will certainly continue to live throughout all Eternity - the soul and its indissoluble spirit body - if it does possess the Divine Love, Immortality and At-onement with the Father.
As soul cannot be taken from, or torn from - or in any other way deprived of - its spirit body, once it has come to the spirit world, it would be equally impossible for the spirit body to enter the human body of another human being, for only a soul without a spirit body can enter a human body, and on the death of this body, the soul manifests1 its spirit body. The doctrine of reincarnation is, therefore utterly without foundation, for it is impossible, let me repeat, for a soul with its spirit body to enter a human body to be born again in the flesh.
When a human being dies in the flesh, his soul has already achieved under ordinary circumstances the purpose of his creation, that is, individualization and the creation of receptacles for soul’s, and in his spirit body, in size, shape, appearance and nature, is the complete creation without the envelope of flesh.
This soul appears in the spirit world laden with the inharmonies of its earth life, but since it has the opportunity of eliminating these inharmonies and becoming a purified soul in the spirit world through the exercise of its will and moral force and repentance, or becoming a Divine Angel through prayer to the Father for His Divine Love and Mercy, transforming the soul into the very essence of the Father, it is therefore absolutely unnecessary for the soul to go back to the flesh for another chance to purify itself, for the loving and merciful Heavenly Father had already provided a plan that would enable the soul - the real man - to attain purification, and here God showed Himself to be more merciful than He might have been had He decreed successive trials in the flesh for the process of purification, for man while thus seeking to purify his soul, would at the same time have to contend with the sinful influence of the flesh, and his ultimate purification would thus indefinitely be delayed or perhaps never accomplished until the very end of time. You can thus see that God has shown His Love for His created children by providing a way for them to be purged of their sins, while being free of baleful influences of the flesh, which would only hinder, and make more difficult, their tortuous progress toward purification.
As regards the sayings in the New Testament, the first thing is that I never had any thought of reincarnation when I asked my disciples, especially Peter, “of whom do the people say, I am?” for that question was formulated simply to have them state whether they considered me the Messiah, as some of them already did, although not in the spiritual sense or the exact understanding that I had brought immortality to earth in my soul.
Again, you were right in thinking that I said: “but I say unto you that it was one like Elijah is come,” - and not - “But I say unto you that Elijah is come,” for I did refer to John the Baptist, who in his type of sermon and in his temperament, and even in his garb and food, was a throw back to Elijah, - but here the similarity ended, for each of these lived different lives, and are individual souls and are both living in the Celestial Heavens at the same time, and this is a physical impossibility with reincarnation, for, in this doctrine, if Elijah was John the Baptist, only one soul and only one spirit body would be involved.
The child born blind did not sin, nor did its parents, but suffered blindness because of the physical defect in his mother, which prevented the perfect development of the foetus in her womb, and thus this defect has prevented the perfect manifestation of God’s work of creation. This defect is one of many to which the imperfect world of the flesh is subject, and it is for this reason that purification of the soul while in the flesh would be a task of countless centuries, and a punishment worse than the most evil hells of the spirit world in its duration.
The quotation from Revelation, chapter 3, verse 12, “He shall never more go out”, referring to the “Temple of my God” is an allusion of the soul possessing the Divine Love, to such a degree that immortality is a conscious possession, and its home is forever more the Celestial Heavens, although, the writer, himself, understood very little of this, and had in mind a purified soul with its habitat in the sixth sphere, and not a Divine Soul.
Jesus of the Bible and Master of the Celestial Heavens.
Note 1. The word “manifest” has in more recent years been taken to mean “create”, but I believe that in this case the meaning is to “become clear” or “reveal” or “become obvious”. Because the spirit body is created at the instant of incarnation of the soul into the foetus and not on death. The fact that OBE’s and NDE’s occur, is evidence we have a spirit body with all the faculties of consciousness.
It was this very message that finally cleared the fog from my mind and eventually was to lead to my writing a book on this topic, as its actually multi-faceted and complex. It’s not something that can be dismissed by a few words.
You need to understand that a foetus is protected within the mothers spirit body, and only a "new" soul can enter through that body. All others cannot reach that foetus. If they could we would have thousands onion every foetus. As it is we only get one, because new souls are still closely connected to God and know which foetus is theirs.
The most recent "yet again" explanation by Jesus is this one:
https://new-birth.net/contemporary-mess ... -may-2021/
hugs
Geoff
