About Hell Today

[PlenaryGrace]

Hello Dear Ones,

In my deep commitment to serving God prayerfully and carefully, day-by-day, I am sometimes surprised by sudden turns of focus. Over the past 48 hours, I have been led to a handful of NDE videos in rapid succession. They are particularly credible. Please know that this is not something I sought out. I stopped every video many times before completion, even the short ones. Though I am obedient, they were hard for me to watch. God allowed these frequent "rests," and then kept gently leading me back.

Just as Jesus fashioned his Messages to Padgett 100 years ago to fit the greatest concerns of the day (belief in blood atonement and permanent Hell), now Jesus has new concerns to share: He wants people to understand that Hell is a real place and that most people are headed there! It is so sad, but, a quick look around at the overall human condition on planet earth reveals this truth. Especially in the wealthy western world. Most people today have no care or concern about what happens when they die. They are living in the moment, giving no thought to "sin" one way or another. Even religious people, who are faithful church believers have no idea they are not headed in the right direction.

This is what Jesus wants people to understand now. I have included the links below. The first video is the longest. I began it first, and finished it last. I watched the others, bouncing back and forth, in between. I have never done anything like that before. Again, I believe I was being led. In watching the videos all-together that way, the synergy between them was crystal clear.

I believe that not one of these videos revealed the impermanence of Hell, because that is not the focus Jesus wants to communicate today. At this time, he wants everyone to avoid Hell altogether. When a person is in Hell, there is no sense of time, and it will feel like an eternity. God does not want that for anyone, and neither do we. Messages for today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_DAC25I-AI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la7scr6UZKk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lidm7eCfeYs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RTelpMTOGg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59mRZ1Vj8ZU

[Susan]

I'll have to take a look at these vids Catherine. Should be interesting as one of the aspects of my journey was a draw to learn more about heaven, which caused me to study near death experiences for years. Am I mistaken, or did I read in one of the Padgett or Judas messages that the majority of people end up in the 2nd/3rd spheres after death? I thought I read that somewhere, but can't remember for sure. Neither of these is hell, however I remember reading 2nd sphere still had some "freakish" looking beings that weren't fully cleansed for the more heavenly realm of the 3rd sphere.

[Jane]

Hi Catherine,

I watched the first link in its entirety. It is provoking me to ask many questions. This young woman's testimony is very convincing in that it was her experience and a clear and vivid one to her. However, it is SO in line with orthodox Christian beliefs, many of which are challenged by the Padgett messages, that I am not sure what to think. I am so fervently seeking truth these days and it frustrates me that our world has so many conflicting beliefs and stories. So of course I pray about this a lot. I have been re-reading Padgett all week and it does seem to feel true for me. And God, as I am able to perceive Him, is so incredibly loving that I can't "buy" this eternal damnation for those who don't repent/ accept Jesus as their saviour while on Earth idea.
If the Padgett messages hold the truth, then why would Jesus appear to this girl and allow her to worship him as God and encourage her to share this "testimony" publicly, one which clearly supports fear-based thinking? I understand the desire to keep people out of the Hells, but is fear-mongering the only way? Or is this a message directed at the Bible-following Christians, knowing that it might work to change their behaviour?

I would love to hear others' opinions on this topic. I'm not sure if I'm going to watch the other videos, Catherine, as I'd rather get back to focussing my study on Padgett right now, but we'll see.

Susan: I believe one of the messages said most people end up in the Earth plane when they die.

Much love to all, and may the truth present itself to each one of us in a clear form, and may we know what to do with that truth in order to help others find love and redemption.

Jane

[PlenaryGrace]

Hello Susan,

I'm sticking with the Padgett Messages until after my ordination, to avoid confusion for myself. I don't know about the Judas messages.

The Padgett Messages may not clearly specify where "most" people end up, however, one can deduce from reading the entire set that many, if not most, people initially cross over into the earth plane, which would be the first sphere.

Many contemporaries of Padgett came to him complaining that they were "...in some darkness..." I'm pretty sure that the second sphere is relatively lovely and would not be described as somewhat dark. As far as I can discern, the second sphere is much like earth, only pristine and without the bad guys (which would be a significant improvement!). That leads me to believe that these people who were in some darkness are below the second sphere.

There is nothing in the Padgett Messages to indicate that most people cross into the third sphere. The third sphere is beautiful and people there are very happy. That takes some spiritual development to attain.

One message in particular leads me to believe that it's not common to cross over even into the second sphere, especially for people living in today's materialistic world. That message was by a woman named Lillian Summer. The link to her message is below. She was an average person, as far as I can tell. Somewhat wealthy, but, not overly so and not evil at all. I'm pretty sure she crossed over into the first sphere, due primarily to the remorseful tone of her message and the following statements...

...I am here, the woman who lost her soul to preserve her standing in society while on earth....very seldom do I see anything that helps my present condition.

That does not sound like the second sphere to me. Sounds like the earth plane. (Keeping in mind that there are many levels within each sphere and she was perhaps not in the lowest level of the earth plane.)

When you look at today's secular culture, the initial fate of most people appears grim. There are countless pitfalls. Especially idolatry, so obvious in our narcissistic celebrity-crazed society. Not to mention the prevalence of all kinds of addictions! Food. Porn. Alcohol. Other drugs. Materialism. Gambling. Even TV. And that's really just the tip of the iceberg. The scriptures that tell us straight and narrow is the way to God, are, it seems, true.

There are many other messages that indicate this, but, Lillian Summer's really stood out for me because she had happiness and love in her life and she seemed like a relatively "good" person. Not even an attorney! You can see for yourself, below.

Love,
Catherine

https://new-birth.net/padgetts-messages ... l-4-pg364/

[PlenaryGrace]

Jane,

The Padgett Messages make it clear that Hell is not eternal. You might have missed my statement in my original post where I say that I believe Jesus did not communicate that part of the truth in the NDE links I shared because he did not want to emphasize that truth right now. He wants people to know that Hell is real and they are in danger of going there. If they end up there, it will feel like an eternity to them, because time is not perceived as passing there. Who wants that?!

People can and do get out of Hell. Even the most evil (like Caligula and Julius Caesar, see links below). But, again, Jesus wants us to avoid it altogether. If he shared with these people that Hell is temporary, they - and others who watch their videos - might not change their ways to avoid it. So, while these people have a more orthodox belief in Christianity than taught by the Padgett Messages, it is serving God's purpose at this time. I believe Jesus did not correct Sarah's belief in him as God, because it would have been too far of a stretch for her (a pastor's daughter), and, most importantly, because his primary message about the reality of Hell was the critical point he wanted to make. Belief in Jesus as God will not hurt a person's soul development. Belief that Hell doesn't exist very well might. Jesus was keeping the message laser sharp.

You will notice that the Padgett Messages were also narrowly focused, on the primary concerns of that time. When the Padgett Messages were transmitted, people believed Hell was permanent and so they would get stuck there feeling hopeless. That's why Jesus wanted people to know it wasn't permanent.

Today, we have the opposite problem. People don't believe in Hell at all. That's why these NDEs are focusing on its reality.

When Jesus transmitted to JP, he also wanted people to realize that they needed to tend to their souls, and not rely on the "blood atonement." That was not all the Truth, but was only the most important truth for the people of that time.

Today, apparently, people need to know that Hell is real.

Love,
Catherine

https://new-birth.net/padgetts-messages ... l-3-pg227/

https://new-birth.net/padgetts-messages ... l-3-pg143/

[Geoff]

However, it is SO in line with orthodox Christian beliefs, many of which are challenged by the Padgett messages, that I am not sure what to think.

Hi Jane,

I no longer give NDE's any credence. Even if the report is honest, what you have in effect is an untrained medium experiencing the spirit world for a very short period of time. We do know that beliefs will affect events. I have noticed that they tend to support the belief system of the individual, especially if highly religious. One (child) reported that he met Jesus and Jesus showed him the holes in his hands. Is that credible? Certainly not.

If anyone wants an "on the money" account of hell, its this one. I have shared it widely:

A short account of arriving in hell and getting out - 60 pages

hugs
Geoff

[Geoff]

I'll have to take a look at these vids Catherine. Should be interesting as one of the aspects of my journey was a draw to learn more about heaven, which caused me to study near death experiences for years. Am I mistaken, or did I read in one of the Padgett or Judas messages that the majority of people end up in the 2nd/3rd spheres after death? I thought I read that somewhere, but can't remember for sure. Neither of these is hell, however I remember reading 2nd sphere still had some "freakish" looking beings that weren't fully cleansed for the more heavenly realm of the 3rd sphere.

Hi Susan,

The numbering of spheres is not always limited to seven. Spiritualists also get confused and claim Summerland is in the third, but its the top of the First. But if you were using that system, then I would say neither the second nor the third would have "freakish" looking people. The third is rather high, even the top of the first is a "fair" heaven. In the second people learn how to alter their spirit bodies - but to get a better looking body!!

hugs
Geoff

[Susan]

Thanks for clarification Geoff. I was curious if I was remembering everything I had read correctly, but apparently I mixed up some of the spheres, or levels of spheres thinking there was still some cleansing of appearance going on in the 2nd sphere. That being said, do you recall anywhere in your research that spoke of where the majority of spirits end up after death? I must confess, I have a higher outlook on humanity and the amount of love in their souls and have a hard time believing the majority will end up in the hells. Not saying most of us are saints, but I see a lot of good in the world, and good in peoples' hearts. The thought of most humans ending up in the hells doesn't really resonate with me. I don't know, maybe I'm just naive, but I truly don't see a world of evil people and darkness. Yes, I see a lot of people searching...searching for love, acceptance, peace and freedom. I see kindness, compassion and laughter too...so much potential! We are so much more than we've been taught! We have been so boxed in, so controlled. I could go on for a while when it comes to that tangent, but wont. Anyway, I do hope that most people are in a happy place after their death. Would love to hear more from the group on this as well! Thanks guys, hugs!

[Geoff]

That being said, do you recall anywhere in your research that spoke of where the majority of spirits end up after death?

Dear Susan,

Its the first Sphere, which contains the hells.

Perhaps you should read this:
A short account of arriving in hell and getting out - 60 pages
because he did not seem such a bad guy. A cad yes, nasty yes, but evil? But of course hell has its levels. None of it is nice though. Even the Borderlands are dreary.

hugs
Geoff

[PlenaryGrace]

I concur with Geoff that NDEs are heavily influenced by the beliefs of the experiencer. Consequently, I am very discerning if/when I watch/read about them. I separate the "wheat from the chaff" metaphorically, but, I do not dismiss them altogether. They are not created equal and the most credible, I have found, corroborate the Messages 85-95%. I appreciate that corroboration, and so find some of them valuable. That said, if they make you uncomfortable, they should definitely be avoided.

Love,
Catherine